A Person's Mental Biological Space Versus Information Loaded Space

Yesterday I was thinking to distinguish that mental space that feels more constant through one's life which includes feelings and sensations on one's body, visual perception apart from thought's about that perception, and other biological sensations. The time I thought I wanted to think further about this distinction was when I was laying in bed, with my eyes closed much the the time, readying myself for sleep. I was seeing, at that time, different shades of blackness, and gray, whatever changes in these monochromatic colors my retina was presenting to me, and I was relating it to the current feellings I was having being comfortable in bed, and very early feelings I had as a kid simply experiencing pulsatings and throbbings existing in my nervous system and body. These converged sometimes to some interesting sleeptime moments, and these moments are old, from when I was a very young child, and I think likely there is still some resemblance to when I was a baby experiencing such things knowing less about wha they were.

These experiences, I was comparing, to the verbalizations that were coming to mind, on the same subject, which were automatic largely, partly voluntary and partly involuntary, partly with control, and partly deliberately simply allowing to continue. The verbalizations, seemed more distinct than usual from the feelings expressed just a moment ago. Seeing this large distinction, thinking about it again now, I compare it to a chasm of sorts, or maybe a difference that is tremedous, making the one a different world of sorts than the other although they relate. Speaking figuratively only of course. It really may be the divide between these ways of thinking and feeling demarcate a very large divide even in the nervous system, impacting our experience more than we think, and I assume this to an extent already, knowing that there are regions dedicated to verbal thinkin, separate from those that are visual, in addition to others, and if one area is damaged, the others can be left largely unaffected. I could damage irreversably my verbal abilities and experience, but I'd still feel the other biological sensations and miscellaneous comforts and discomfors. I think it would be mistaken to claim that the sense of sharp pain would disappear also with such damage to the brain.

The above is not intended to segue into neuroscience, as much as it's to make it clear that on basic self observation, there really is a big difference between these things.

Verbal life, includes rules of language and vocabulary that really was existing in our environment, and excludeed what did not exist. I speak English because it existed in my life, and less Arabic, because that was less present. More Spanish because that was slightly more present, and a little Korean too, because there were Korean people where I lived. Many languages were entirely absent. When I write here, what comes to mind is culural information mixed with how I logically acted upon that information. My personality in my verbal life is largely a pattern relating to how I interact logically wih the information, and how I use language. Cultural life is what we say is contingent. Certain conditions need to be present in order for us to experience a mind and personality that speaks a particular language with a certain amount of knowledge. The knowledge relates to a section of time that comprises my lifetime and events around me during that lifetime. Everyone living in the current time period has little from 100 years ago and earlier, and very little of the distant future. I mention this because the gulf and divide concerning this is really different from those experiences I talked about above which are much less cultural, and time related.

Consider that how you feel when you are sick, may be similar each time you are sick for the duration of your life. When I think to how I feel when I am sick, it seems very similar to when I was a child. This may suggest that without language you'd feel this way too. If you grew up in another environment and culture, at another time and age, you'd likely feel the same when sick. Notice current events do not influence these feelings and experiences. What is going on now, what else you may have learned about recently, do not impact those feelings much or sometimes maybe not at all, and when sick sometimes you shrink your social life and experiences into the immediate surroundings and your own body only. When you're experiencing it it's like when you were a sick child again, or one can say the other way, that a child experiences sickness not unlike an adult.

Other experiences are like this. When I lay around staring at the walls, furnature, and windows, and things around, it is similar as an adult as it was as a child. When sleeping, at onset, during, and after, on waking, the experience is similar. If we continue searching through experience to see what is like this, much is. But in addition to these experiences, in parallel, or with more focus, we attend to verbal life, learning, and thinking about problem solving. Notice that these things do relate to the time period and culture more. Watching television, to see what is on, will include whatever is current and will largely omit what was old, and can't include the future. If we watch the history of television, we learn it is very poor at predicting the future. What is old becomes something so out of fashion that one skips over it when it presents. One wants what is current. It includes new current things to learn, and trendy things to talk about, The social life is largely verbal. All these things are changing a bit more in time, than those things I mentioned above, that are sensation related or are biological.

Between people, and between ancesors and those living today, it seems there is less difference if culture and language is left out amongst people, but not enough of course to make experiences the same. They more closely resemble each other. If you think of just your biological experiences and sensations you get closer to your animal (you're an animal anyways, but this helps to illustrate), and can see more clearly what you are like with all learning subtracted. There is this nature/nurture distiction that has existed, and this idea partly shows you what your nature is apart from your nurture. This area of interest, especially likes twin studies, because because in twin studies it is thought, that the genetic influence upon the animal is more easily understood when comparing animals arisen from identical instructions. If two identical twins are really similar in different situations, if they are adopted or are raised in different places, surely what is the same or similar, points to the genetic contribution, which shows their nature even with the nurture mixed in. These studies do indicate, that even with great separation, similarities are powerful, but not complete. These studies are useful. The observations above may help to allow an individual to add additional information to such studies for personal use. If I had an identical twin, the studies show that I should expect all kinds of similarities even where the cultures experienced differ when they are separated. But what is biologically and sensationally experienced by both of the twins is almost assumed to actually be identical or nearly identical. What is contingent in their experience is more left out, and what remains is what is felt early even as a child. Two identical twins who are children will be very similar in who they are internally. Really they are copies of the same animal. People who are more closely related will have experiences that are *very close* in this area. Those who are more distantly related, would be less similar, but we do from medical knowledge anticipate a lot of similarity. And further still, animals will be similar. The genetic comparisons continue with all life on earth that comes from DNA because that DNA is still shared. Biologists really do compare us with mushrooms when they study DNA. They conclude much is different, but not everything is different. There are growth rules and rules with cells. The cells need energy and need gases and nutrients. Comparing humans and mammals, much becomes extremely similar. Animals like rodents surely do experience similar comforts and sensations when they sleep for example. Dogs and cats too. Primates share much more in common. Humans with increasingly similar DNA share more in common in these things, until the genetics is identical; with identical twins, we have examples of maximum similarity of genetics and animal nature, not just for humans, but for all natural entities that are living. Twins are very special and important.

Other people certainly have similarities of internal biological and sensory experience but differ in how they interacted with stimuli as a result of their brain genetics that would be shown to be similar with twins, but more dissimilar as one moves from family, to related populations, to animals and so on. I know from experience, that my way of interacting with language, and manipulating symbols and visuals is markedly different from other people, although obviously there have to be some similarities or communication would be ineffective. Like understanding grammar, what words mean, and so on. But logically I seem to do much better with subject matter, and tend to divide concepts, and subdivide them, and expand on concepts more than others usually do. The verbal and visual part of my brain, and your brain, that interact upon symbols and visuals, are additive to what else exists, and adds to the brain memories and recollections that are like extra culture apart from what was perceived. So there is the add of culture to the mind, and then there is the addition from the mind to itself what it thought about using the culture.

I will need to return to this at a later time to expand on with new thoughts, but for now I need to talk about more of what my experience was when I was resting, seeing the divide between what is biologically me and what is more cultural or more of my acting upon culture with visual and especially verbal thought. So here I'll transition.

I can't remember everything I was thinking, but I do know that determinism and self automation were part of my thoughts at the time. I am starting to be able to just let thoughts continue with my usual logic happening, but with less of my feeling of interaction with them. Like I let my brain do it, but I do something else while it does it. It's like I was letting this get written, but I was doing something else. At one point, I tried thinking about something mathematical or verbal, with concentration, while the same verbal thinking was going on. This may be why I perceived the divide to be wider, between verbal experience and other experiences. I did also focus again on the darknesses around, since preparing to sleep, under my eyelids, or through them, and when open eyes. The verbal thoughts just kept going, but I'm focused on those. Not distracted-- the verbal thoughts kept going! I was just focused on the other experiences. The differences between the two felt wider, as I let them both go on separately. In the separation, I noticed that what was sensed and felt seemed more my nature, and the verbal was the cultural add, that I manipulated. My nature was in that too but that included more of the external world.

Here I think, is there a way to measure what has been added to a mind from outside, to on a gradient, see what contribution genetics made versus what it did not? There was what was only added by nature very largely, lik if my parents took me to some sight, and made me look at it, which would result in recollections of what I saw, which was decided by my parents and not myself. That would be more of the world upon me as is, without my modification. After that would be what I thought about it, and what I modified. A long way after that, is the feeling of my heart beat, when I'm relaxing, or doing strenuous work. How I feel when sick, when in bed, when I see only monochrome colors with my eyes closed, when I see retinal stimuli from pushing my eyes, and so on.

Some of these are added interests as I reflect on the experience now. I was thinking a bit more about verbal predermination I think, along with some other subjects. Not recalling those now, I'll have to add later.jj:w

